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M. Cohen
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And you had been hearing on television that they were
dangling pardons. So, you directed your lawyer, hey, find out
if I can get a pardon. I want this nightmare to end, right?
A Not if I can get a pardon. If the President was going
to be doing these pre-pardons.
But you
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you testified that you were 100 percent
open to accepting it, anything to end this, right?
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Yes, sir.
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And so
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and you did that with a couple of your
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lawyers, Mr. Ryan and Mr. Costello, correct?
Mr. Costello was never my lawyer.
Well, you asked Mr. Costello, putting aside whether he
was your lawyer, you asked Mr. Costello to reach out to people
in the administration, including Mr. Giuliani, about the
possibility of a pardon?
A We spoke about it.
And as part of your conversation with him, you asked
him to reach out to Mr. Giuliani and explore it, correct?
Yes, sir.
And so, when you testified under oath less than one
year later, February, on February 27th, 2019, that you never
asked for, nor would you ever accept a pardon, that was a lie,
wasn’t it?
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At the time it was accurate.
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Well, the very next day so, again, February 27th,
Susan Pearce-Bates, RPR, CCR, RSA
Principal Court Reporter More

M. Cohen Direct/Hoffinger
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was there at The Trump Organization about executives coming in
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to meet with Mr. Trump?
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Mr.
Trump had an open-door policy, which, if there was
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somebody in there, you waited; and if not, you knocked on the
door, and I would say, “Boss, do you have a second?”, and I
would walk right in.
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And others did the same, to your knowledge?
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To my knowledge, yes.
Now, when you met with Mr. Trump at The Trump
Organization, in his office, did you, generally, need
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Did you, generally, record those meetings in your calendar?
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No, ma’am.
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As part of your work at The Trump Organization, did
you feel that it was part of your job to keep him updated on
matters that you were handling for him?
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Yes.
It was actually required.
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Tell us what you mean by that.
When he would task you with something, he would then
say, “Keep me informed. Let me know what’s going on.”
And what he was saying, what everybody did is, as soon as
you had a result, an answer, you would go straight back and
tell him. Especially if it was a matter that was troubling to
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So, two things, just to break that down.
Laurie Eisenberg, CSR, RPR
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J. Jarmel-Schneider
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And if we could just continue going down January and
February, those two columns, we talked about the one invoice,
two vouchers; and is there only one check?
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Yes.
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How many invoices were there, in total, on this chart?
Eleven.
And can you just read which counts they’re associated
Counts 1, 5, 8, 11, 14, 17, 20, 23, 26, 29 and 32.
After January and February, is there one invoice for
each month for the rest of the year?
Going down to vouchers, same question. Could you just
read the count number for each of the vouchers?
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Yes.
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Counts 2, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27, 30 and 33.
And is there one voucher for every month in 2017?
Yes.
And, finally, in checks, could you read the count
number for each check?
It’s counts 4, 7, 10, 13, 16, 19, 22, 25, 28, 31 and 34.
And after January and February, is there one check for
each of the remaining months in 2017?
Laurie Eisenberg, CSR, RPR
Senior Court Reporter More