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And you had been hearing on television that they were
dangling pardons. So, you directed your lawyer, hey, find out
if I can get a pardon. I want this nightmare to end, right?
A Not if I can get a pardon. If the President was going
to be doing these pre-pardons.
But you
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you testified that you were 100 percent
open to accepting it, anything to end this, right?
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and you did that with a couple of your
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lawyers, Mr. Ryan and Mr. Costello, correct?
Mr. Costello was never my lawyer.
Well, you asked Mr. Costello, putting aside whether he
was your lawyer, you asked Mr. Costello to reach out to people
in the administration, including Mr. Giuliani, about the
possibility of a pardon?
A We spoke about it.
And as part of your conversation with him, you asked
him to reach out to Mr. Giuliani and explore it, correct?
Yes, sir.
And so, when you testified under oath less than one
year later, February, on February 27th, 2019, that you never
asked for, nor would you ever accept a pardon, that was a lie,
wasn’t it?
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Susan Pearce-Bates, RPR, CCR, RSA
Principal Court Reporter
Source: Elections - nytimes.com
